tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post2044537551509969412..comments2023-10-28T05:58:07.377-07:00Comments on Anglicans Ablaze: When “Gracious Restraint” Fails — The Real Anglican TragedyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-52885443336193367512009-12-13T10:33:38.907-08:002009-12-13T10:33:38.907-08:00Joe:
I'll defer to your inquiry re: Dom. I do...Joe:<br /><br />I'll defer to your inquiry re: Dom. I doubt you'll get much by way of substance. He likes to call others out (e.g. Robin), but refuses cross-examination himself. Dom's not worth the effort, unless he decides to play the honest broker.<br /><br />Yes, good summary on the Charles/Ian/"plotter" scenario. Pretty curious stuff. Glad am not involved with it.<br /><br />Regards,<br />PhilReformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-41839028410098466022009-12-12T06:31:20.369-08:002009-12-12T06:31:20.369-08:00Phil,
My questions for Dom are starting points fo...Phil,<br /><br />My questions for Dom are starting points for debate with him. Each of the terms used have different meaning for different people. Even, unfortunately, the term "Christian." The question that begs an answer ultimately is what is a "Christian." The other terms, in my opinion, should not even modify "Christian." But we do have a problem. There are those who in fact call themselves "Christian" who practice idolatry and all kinds of man made inventions. Many of their inventions contradict God's righteousness. Images are set up for veneration and other unholy acts. tec has rejected altogether the authority of Holy Writ and the ACNA has only turned the clock back 20 years. As you have called for already, Christ's Church needs a Reformation today, now, and in every part of it. But terms like "Anglican", "Reformed", and "Protestant", as well as "evangelical" all have been absconded at least in part by the devil himself. With each of these terms we need to get clear definitions. Two people may be using the same words but each meaning something different. "Anglican" is a good example; the low church, evangelical, reformed, protestant using the 1662 BCP has nothing in common with the anglo-catholic using the 1978 BCP, or any various misals. They are on different planets. The are divided by the "same language." So I want to know from Dom first of all what he considers himself then we can discuss his interpretation of each of the words he uses to describe himself. My sincerest hope is that he is a Christian in "spirit and in truth." That is not something that I can judge except by the fruits of the life that he lives and the doctrine that he espouses. I do not know whether he is dissimulating in his posts. There are those who portray themselves as an interested friend only to stir up controversy. Remember Ian of PEC/TPEC who was trying to find out if I had betrayed "the censorious tyrant" Charles while in the end he betrayed Charles while I was and remain critical of both but did nothing underhanded. Charles and Ian are now bishops of two separate churches in competition with each other and Ian was consecrated by the man who "plotted to overthrow Charles." And Ian was defending Charles against the consecrator. This stuff is rampant in the "continuing movements." The ACNA is already under threat of breaking apart. Whether Dom knows it or not the conglomeration of unlikes cannot not endure. It has feet of clay and iron. We need a Church under the authority of Christ made up of precious stones and gold whose eyes are fixed on God.Joe Mahlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159602829251282904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-19195097389158732772009-12-11T04:16:03.109-08:002009-12-11T04:16:03.109-08:00I asked the question about "beating your moth...I asked the question about "beating your mother" to make the point that making endless accusations with presumptions assumed beforehand are a logical fallacy. <br /><br />CharlieCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-81796155778860888792009-12-10T21:34:59.873-08:002009-12-10T21:34:59.873-08:00Joe:
Dom has refused questions on identity, theol...Joe:<br /><br />Dom has refused questions on identity, theology, affiliation and, repeatedly, calls for identification of the "theological core" of the ACNA.<br /><br />The onus probandi rests with him who asserts the propositions.<br /><br />Dom, haven't forgotten those "repeated calls" made to you.<br /><br />I would think you would revel in an opportunity to explain your views of the ACNA doctrinal position. Fair enough and easy enough.<br /><br />Joe, don't hold your breath. It's been at least 3-4 months now.Reformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-53086248235607143982009-12-10T21:31:06.291-08:002009-12-10T21:31:06.291-08:00Mr. Gunslinger, what's an "Anglo-Magpie?&...Mr. Gunslinger, what's an "Anglo-Magpie?" Not familiar with the metaphor.<br /><br />I'll stick with the Caveman analogy for now.Reformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-68808089053920963802009-12-10T21:28:24.734-08:002009-12-10T21:28:24.734-08:00Thump! Thump! Thump! It's Dom's head-bang...Thump! Thump! Thump! It's Dom's head-banging on the cave-wall again. Rather noisy for the rest of us in the back of the cave. <br /><br />But we have Mr. Gunslinger as our tour guide out of the cave.<br /><br />The onus of probandi rests with you, Dom.<br /><br />You've asserted the safety of the ACNA harbour "repeatedly" for "several months" now. With repeated calls for "you," the ACNA-man, a fellow Caveman, to tell "us" what the doctrinal core is.<br /><br />I'm in a cave looking out and see the shadows of light. But it's dark back here. Faint shadows flickering on the wall. You're closer to the entrance to the cave. You're the man! You've bid us come to "the light." Stop banging your head on the walls of the cave entrance. It has made some horrible echoes for the rest of us in the back of the cave. Speak with words of understanding and no more head-banging on the cave walls.<br /><br />You can start, if you would, by explaining Jack of TX and Keith of Quincy. Help?<br /><br />Spoonfeed me, Mr. Gunslinger. Don't shoot me. Lead me out of the ACNA cave to the light of day.Reformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-29617063253162649182009-12-10T18:07:00.978-08:002009-12-10T18:07:00.978-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joe Mahlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159602829251282904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-50452529379538891692009-12-10T16:46:42.058-08:002009-12-10T16:46:42.058-08:00Dom, tell you what... When you can tell me when y...Dom, tell you what... When you can tell me when you stopped beating your mother, I'll answer your questions. :DCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-67063805520609297092009-12-10T16:26:58.212-08:002009-12-10T16:26:58.212-08:00Dom,
You avitar shows a cowboy shooting his own s...Dom,<br /><br />You avitar shows a cowboy shooting his own shadow, what are you saying. Where do you place yourself in the Anglican perspective? You seem to think much of the 1662 BCP. This is definitely not a favorite of the anglo-catholics. Are you simple defensive of the hope that you place in the ACNA or what? I'm a bit confused. I'm not much interested in personal name calling but do believe that heresy and apostasy should be called out. I certainly have my misgivings about the ANCA just looking at the extreme differences in that conglomeration. It seems that Iker does not trust Duncan at all. That is a real set up for a blow up just in itself. And certainly the Low Churchmen would have a rough going in that body. I do not believe they would survive any better there than in the tec. Just give me a little feed back so I know where you are. Do you consider your self Evangelical? Protestant? Reformed? Anglican (in the sense of the Reformers, Cramner, Ridley, Latimer, etc.)? Christian? It has gotten bad that many words are needed to describe one in the modern day and I am beginning to believe a whole book. To be Anglican the 39 Articles of Religion should be settled doctrine, not because the Anglican Church formulated them in the 16th century but because they are doctrines of Holy Writ. Do you hold them to be orthodox? I'm asking just to get a sense.<br /><br />JoeJoe Mahlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159602829251282904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-81779231832054523542009-12-10T15:42:24.855-08:002009-12-10T15:42:24.855-08:00Ok, gotta go be productive. Charlie, I'll che...Ok, gotta go be productive. Charlie, I'll check back later to see if you had the courage to answer the four simple questions. <br /><br />Here they are again, to make it easier for you:<br /><br />(1) What were you raised?<br /><br />(2) Where did you train?<br /><br />(3) Have you ever been a member of an Anglican church?<br /><br />(4) Where do you attend now?DomWalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229425178479904617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-9128678578461761502009-12-10T15:39:08.579-08:002009-12-10T15:39:08.579-08:00"I have no pride"?
Nice one. I comme..."I have no pride"? <br /><br />Nice one. I commend to you 1 John.DomWalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229425178479904617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-76006499058663843132009-12-10T15:38:30.649-08:002009-12-10T15:38:30.649-08:00Don't be a coward, Charlie. Answer the questi...Don't be a coward, Charlie. Answer the questions. Why are you afraid to face your contradictions?DomWalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229425178479904617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-16313120523132536902009-12-10T15:37:42.613-08:002009-12-10T15:37:42.613-08:00Dom, I have no "pride." I'm saved b...Dom, I have no "pride." I'm saved by grace alone and anything I know intellectually is given by the grace of God alone, not by my own efforts. God gave me my faith and all that I believe.<br /><br />The proud ones take the credit rather than giving ALL the glory to God and God alone. Without God I would still be lost and on the way to hell.<br /><br />Any "efforts" I make are initiated by God first (Philippians 2:11-13). The problem, Dom, is that you have gone over to the pelagians.<br /><br />CharlieCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-54980217219584454022009-12-10T15:34:48.646-08:002009-12-10T15:34:48.646-08:00Charlie, you're afraid to face your contradict...Charlie, you're afraid to face your contradictions. Answer the four simple questions.DomWalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229425178479904617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-72385809731555915382009-12-10T15:34:03.952-08:002009-12-10T15:34:03.952-08:00You're avoiding the questions, Charlie.
Los...You're avoiding the questions, Charlie. <br /><br />Lose the intellectual pride in which you've been floundering. <br /><br />Answer the simple questions...DomWalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229425178479904617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-35506295928816540972009-12-10T15:33:48.690-08:002009-12-10T15:33:48.690-08:00Dom, read my profile at the blog. :DDom, read my profile at the blog. :DCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-62815013038878979192009-12-10T15:32:24.755-08:002009-12-10T15:32:24.755-08:00The Gospel is very simple. Even a child should be...The Gospel is very simple. Even a child should be able to summarize it in simple terms.Charlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-79059365839473965062009-12-10T15:32:12.958-08:002009-12-10T15:32:12.958-08:00What's the matter, Charlie? Afraid to face yo...What's the matter, Charlie? Afraid to face your own contradictions? <br /><br />Answer the simple questions.DomWalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229425178479904617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-32927422195109224362009-12-10T15:31:31.472-08:002009-12-10T15:31:31.472-08:00Dom, since you claim to be a Christian, how about ...Dom, since you claim to be a Christian, how about explaing to us what you believe constitutes the true Gospel of Jesus Christ and what are the essential doctrines of the Christian faith?<br /><br />I would love to hear what you think is "orthodox" doctrine?<br /><br />CharlieCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-42463918028329083992009-12-10T15:30:42.310-08:002009-12-10T15:30:42.310-08:00Charlie, so correct me?
(1) What were you raise...Charlie, so correct me? <br /><br />(1) What were you raised?<br /><br />(2) Where did you train?<br /><br />(3) Have you ever been a member of an Anglican church?<br /><br />(4) Where do you attend now?DomWalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229425178479904617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-55138741525434359772009-12-10T15:29:30.881-08:002009-12-10T15:29:30.881-08:00So, you attend an apostate church, is that what yo...So, you attend an apostate church, is that what you're saying? <br /><br />One funny thing about Anglo-Magpies, they're like Anglo-Catholics in many ways, one of which is the compulsion to play Pope and anathematize others who don't measure up to their make-believe religion.DomWalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229425178479904617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-52922793676545335792009-12-10T15:29:13.778-08:002009-12-10T15:29:13.778-08:00Dom, you're guessing wrong on all points. But...Dom, you're guessing wrong on all points. But since you're not my pastor nor do you serve on the board of my church, it is really none of your business:)<br /><br />But your personal attacks do not make your position valid. I'm still waiting for you to tell us how Anglo-Catholics are "christian"?<br /><br />CharlieCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-20698541343788814802009-12-10T15:27:00.050-08:002009-12-10T15:27:00.050-08:00Dom, shifting the burden of proof won't salvag...Dom, shifting the burden of proof won't salvage your weak attempt to defend the indefensible. The ACNA is predominately Anglo-Catholic by their own admission. This alone means it is predominately preaching a false gospel. Whether you like it or not the ACNA is just another TEC. BOTH are apostate.<br /><br />Which denomination a congregation is a member of is irrelevant since BOTH are ruled by antichristian forces. <br /><br />Your attempt to distract from the main issue here is simply pathetic.<br /><br />CharlieCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-87678983267270806052009-12-10T15:25:54.606-08:002009-12-10T15:25:54.606-08:00Charlie, let me get this right. You were raised P...Charlie, let me get this right. You were raised Pentecostal and were trained in an AG seminary. You've never actually been a member in an Anglican Church, and you quote hyper-Calvinist non-Anglicans left and right in an attempt to defend your anti-Anglican views. <br /><br />There's a clue for you in there.DomWalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229425178479904617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-18016194705993870192009-12-10T15:23:56.279-08:002009-12-10T15:23:56.279-08:00Hah, Charlie, so you're claiming to be a "...Hah, Charlie, so you're claiming to be a "true Anglican" without actually ever belonging to an Anglican congregation? <br /><br />Castles in the sand, lad. You've invented your own "pure" religion and in order to sustain the illusion, you have to cast aspersions on others. <br /><br />Hardly Biblical...DomWalkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229425178479904617noreply@blogger.com