tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post4236439823610356404..comments2023-10-28T05:58:07.377-07:00Comments on Anglicans Ablaze: Is the Anglican Church in North America “a Faithful Expression of Anglicanism”?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-4601262322193704282014-06-19T22:01:03.203-07:002014-06-19T22:01:03.203-07:00Is the Anglican Church in North America “a Faithfu...Is the Anglican Church in North America “a Faithful Expression of Anglicanism”? Who cares!! Is the Anglican Church in North America a faithful expression of Christ's love and saving power to the world? Does it preach the same Gospel that Paul preached, having checked it out with Simon Peter and James or are they under Paul's denunciation of anathema. In the lemming rush to be 'nice' to all comers we have forgotten the teaching of scripture, the tradition of the Church and the gift of reason. Gay's should not be treated any differently from others. They should be loved, accepted, nurtured and included. Also they should not expect special treatment such as their sexual immorality not being regarded as a block to ordination when fornication, adultery or paedophilia are hindrances to such offices in the Church. This is not judgemental but simply a recognition that all people need to be in right standing with God and repentance is vital.Bob the Website Builderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01169732480298006799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-79524193985953507502010-04-28T12:57:29.007-07:002010-04-28T12:57:29.007-07:00D.E.H,
There has been a movement going on not onl...D.E.H,<br /><br />There has been a movement going on not only in the Church but also our society and in a number of professional organizations to "normalize" homosexuality, that is to view as normal same sex attraction and same sex erotic behavior rather than as "deviant," deviating from the acepted norm, or in the case of the Church, "sinful," tainted with, marked by, or full of sin, or "wicked," morally very bad, and therefore offensive to God. The normalization of homosexuality in the Church eliminates same sex attraction and same sex erotic behavior as an indication of a morally defective character that would disqualify a person from being ordained to Christian ministry or otherwise holding a position of leadership in the Church since Christian ministers and other Church leaders are expected to serve as moral examples to the Church. They are expected to exhibit attitudes and behaviors acceptable to God and modeling for other Christians what attitudes and behaviors are acceptable to God rather than being a form of rebellion against God. They may fail; they after all are human and the inclination to do evil persists even in the regenerate. However, these are the expectations that the New Testament and the Anglican Ordinal have of Christian ministers and other Church leaders.Robin G. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511384478845569163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-12364191086007043872010-04-28T11:16:40.213-07:002010-04-28T11:16:40.213-07:00Thank you for taking the time to respond. Unfortun...Thank you for taking the time to respond. Unfortunately this forum does not denote tone.<br />My first question made reference to you - not the "para organizations and ill advised attendees". <br />I cannot figure out what "normalization of homosexuality" means. What does this mean?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-73211276963506726212010-04-28T10:46:02.824-07:002010-04-28T10:46:02.824-07:00D.E.H.,
The Global South to South Encounter has n...D.E.H.,<br /><br />The Global South to South Encounter has not spent several years in closely scrutinizing developments in the Common Cause Partnership and then the Anglican Church in North America. A number of the people who attended the conference were surprised to see two delegations from North America, and from their statements appeared ill-informed about developments in North America. As I pointed out in my article, the leadership of the conference that drew up the communique is also the leadership of the Global South Primates' Steering Committee, and a number of the members of that committee, including its retiring chairman, have a vested interest in the Anglican Church of North America. They are primates of the parent provinces of a number of the founding entities of the ACNA. The other members of the conference relied upon the information that these leaders and the ACNA delegation provided.The latter are hardly unbiased observers of developments in the ACNA, and are going to play down its problems and weaknesses and portray the ACNA in the most positive light that they can. The 4GSSE communique was not the report of a body that had spent an extensive period of time thoroughly investigating developments in the ACNA. The kind of argument that you make so tersely in your second post is like the kind of arguments that we have heard from the liberals over the years. "The General Convention holds ...; the College of Bishops holds .... Who are you to say otherwise?" As the Thirty-Nine Articles draws to our attention, "And when they be gathered together, (forasmuch as they be an assembly of men, whereof all be not governed with the Spirit and Word of God,) they may err, and sometimes have erred, even in things pertaining unto God." (Article XXI)Robin G. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511384478845569163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-5827628377100952372010-04-28T10:19:03.784-07:002010-04-28T10:19:03.784-07:00D.E.H.,
In response to your first question, I fin...D.E.H.,<br /><br />In response to your first question, I find conservative evangelicals outside of North America poorly informed on the doctrinal positions of the Anglican Church in North America. They are being urged to support the ACNA solely on the basis of its opposition to the normalization of homosexuality and the more radical forms of liberalism. This is all well and good but radical Islam is also opposed to the normalization of homosexuality and the more radical forms of liberalism. Should we then support radical Islam? <br /><br />Before supporting a para-church organization like the ACNA, conservative evangelicals also need to look at what the ACNA actually stands for, at the influences that are shaping the ACNA, and the direction in which the ACNA is going and how these factors are going to affect classical, or conservative, evangelical Anglicanism, or confessional Anglicanism, if you wish, in North America. It is not enough to support such an organization solely on the basis of what it is opposed to.<br /><br />Because the ACNA includes a group of former Canadian Anglicans and American Episcopalians who identify themselves as "evangelical" does not mean that the ACNA as a whole is supportive of the Protestant and evangelical beliefs and principles of the reformed Church of England, much less that these self-identified "evangelicals" themselves hold to these beliefs and principles, which have historically distinguished clssical Anglicanism and traditional evangelical Anglicanism from other schools of thought in the Anglican Church.<br />As the Rev. Dr. David Phipps observed in a recent article in Cross+Way, "...many who call themselves Evangelicals are hardly distinguishable from those who deny the foundation truths of the Gospel."Robin G. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511384478845569163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-20977626563189013292010-04-27T15:29:28.611-07:002010-04-27T15:29:28.611-07:00"Internet commentator" versus
Fourth Gl..."Internet commentator" versus <br />Fourth Global South...<br /><br />opinion - not answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-13115446955297307872010-04-27T14:02:46.008-07:002010-04-27T14:02:46.008-07:00Is the Anglican Church in North America “a Faithfu...Is the Anglican Church in North America “a Faithful Expression of Anglicanism”?<br /><br />The simple answer is "NO".Joe Mahlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159602829251282904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-43200149185492033882010-04-27T11:29:47.545-07:002010-04-27T11:29:47.545-07:00why did you spend so much time on this ?why did you spend so much time on this ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com