tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post5019194113789632213..comments2023-10-28T05:58:07.377-07:00Comments on Anglicans Ablaze: A Gospel Prayer Book for a Gospel PeopleUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-72237764521466088492009-09-14T19:41:23.408-07:002009-09-14T19:41:23.408-07:00Robin:
Your assessment of the English defenses of...Robin:<br /><br />Your assessment of the English defenses of the BCP on baptism was legitimated in the Gorham Decision of 1850.<br /><br />Unfortunately, poor Cheyney (REC) got hung by a High Church bishop in Chicago on that very point. <br /><br />Robin, I will take a look at the 1926 BCP.<br /><br />Thanks for your work, although steering clear of the leadership and gravitating to safer theological territory. Duncan makes me howl. <br /><br />Riches' credibility is SHOT with me as well. <br /><br />Singing the Psalms does not help in the area of being tolerant of this. Thank God for the Scots Psalter. <br /><br />I wanted to howl again. FCA-NA launched at Nashotah House as reported unvirtuely on a certain website.Reformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-20318194691644712372009-09-14T09:48:28.611-07:002009-09-14T09:48:28.611-07:00Charlie,
I will dig out an article for you that e...Charlie,<br /><br />I will dig out an article for you that explains how George David Cummins and others become convinced that the 1789 BCP contained "germs" of Roman Catholic theology. Essentially they bought into the Oxford Movement's redefinition of the Prayer Book and the Articles. In the Church of England the Church Association and other conservative and moderate Evangelical groups defended the historic interpretation of the Prayer Book and the Articles and the famous Gorham decision came down on the side of the Evangelicals. For the position that most nineteenth century Church of England Evangelicals took, read <i>Thoughts on the Prayer Book: J. C. Ryle The Leading Principle of the Prayer Book</i> on the Internet at: http://www.churchsociety.org/issues_new/doctrine/bcp/rylethoughts/iss_doctrine_bcp_rylethoughts_principle.aspHeritage Anglicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536133779405456898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-34423648795670032342009-09-14T09:27:12.814-07:002009-09-14T09:27:12.814-07:00aaytch,
Here is why I do not discuss the 2005 REC...aaytch,<br /><br />Here is why I do not discuss the 2005 REC Prayer Book when considering alternatives. The 2005 REC Prayer Book incorporates services and liturgical usages from the 1928 American Prayer Book. They include the Alternate Form for the Celebration of Holy Communion, the Baptismal Service, the Offices of Instruction, and the Confirmation Service. Considerable unreformed Catholic theology piggybacked into the 2005 REC Prayer Book with these services and liturgical usages. The 2005 REC Prayer Book also introduces changes in the 1662 services that alter their doctrine. The 2005 REC Prayer Book is far from being close to the 1662 Prayer Book. Quite the contrary. It is the 1928 masquerading as the 1662. What little of the 1662 there is in the 2005 REC Prayer Book is veneer. Scratch it and you'll find 1928 underneath it. <br /><br />If you want an alternative traditional Prayer Book close to the 1662, I recommend the 1918 Canadian Prayer Book or the 1926 Irish Prayer Book.Heritage Anglicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536133779405456898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-14269702096285328872009-09-14T05:28:24.024-07:002009-09-14T05:28:24.024-07:00Robin,
Why do you not discuss the REC's BCP w...Robin,<br /><br />Why do you not discuss the REC's BCP when considering alternatives? It is very close to the 1662.Hudsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05511526445868840330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-54035983282784793312009-09-13T21:17:47.105-07:002009-09-13T21:17:47.105-07:00The more I ponder the ACNA, I cannot get the pictu...The more I ponder the ACNA, I cannot get the pictures out of my mind. Warren and Jonah in the same conference. Do they know "what" they were doing? What is in this mix? What is "it?" Charlie, your posts by Knox on the 39 Articles as an hermeneutical key to the BCP is historical fair. <br /><br />I hope that Robin puts something together that is, yes, Gospel-driven, but also removes the Romish germs and brings the Book back to the High doctrines of Reformation teaching. <br /><br />I am seriouly thinking about doing my own revision for my "private use" here in Jacksonville--for my own private use. <br /><br />Get that picture in mind. Rick Warren (give your life to JEsus without a discussion of justificion by faith alone) with Jonah lambasting Calvinists and Reformation doctrines as "heresy."<br /><br />Looking forward to Robin's inquiries on how to introduce liturgy in heavily-populated areas that are anti-liturgy, e.g. where I live. That exists in my area. <br /><br />PhilipReformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-27260392906799967792009-09-13T18:46:20.047-07:002009-09-13T18:46:20.047-07:00Sorry for typoes. I have been and am a discipline...Sorry for typoes. I have been and am a disciplined Prayer Book man for years and years. <br /><br />The Prayer Book (1662) needs revision along "many, many fronts."<br /><br />Too many on the "Canterbury trail" are just not schooled in Reformation thought. Bishop FitzSimmons Allison appears to be one exception.<br /><br />I've also tuned out Virtue, although I've known him personally for years. His is "advocacy journalism" which if OK, if you're advocating Reformation Anglicanism.<br /><br />He's not. He puts out puff pieces, e.g. Nashotah House, one day. Can't wait to see how he puffs the story on the REC forthcoming. He comprehends FIF and SSC men without critical analysis. Virtue's credibility is SHOT with this reader. Feel free to tell him. I have.<br /><br />That includes Duncan as well. The are men trained in TEC-schools.<br /><br />They wouldn't know what a "Confessing Evangelical" was if it hit them in the head.<br /><br />VeitchReformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-60498148919802325222009-09-13T18:01:26.242-07:002009-09-13T18:01:26.242-07:00Jim:
Your last question is prejudicial to the tru...Jim:<br /><br />Your last question is prejudicial to the truth and betrays a problematic approach.<br /><br />From whatever magisterial Catholic tradition, Lutheran, Confessional Anglican, or Reformed...need to tune in to this man weekly. <br /><br />He "gets it."http://creideamh.blogspot.com/2009/09/power-of-blood.html<br /><br />Should me any U.S. Bishop that can preach like this? <br /><br />The ACNA gaggle and spectacle hoists a Rick Warren and Metropolitan to its stage. <br /><br />Sequestre, quarantine, re-educated, and make them accountable to a competent, skilled, academic Presbytery.<br /><br />No more Mr. Nice Guy for this Marine. I have no confidence in what's on offer.<br /><br />VeitchReformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-38609728459950272502009-09-12T15:59:20.691-07:002009-09-12T15:59:20.691-07:00I am curious -- how popul(ous do you think the se...I am curious -- how popul(ous do you think the set of Episcopalians and if I may invent a term "anglican heritage" (REC, ACNA inter alia) evangelicals exist now if we use what I think I understand to be your definition of them? That is those who reject catholic orders, liturgy and sacramental effect? <br /><br />FWIW<br />jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-65771285099727233042009-09-12T12:55:02.836-07:002009-09-12T12:55:02.836-07:00Good article, Robin. Now I understand why the lat...Good article, Robin. Now I understand why the late David Broughton Knox said that the 1662 BCP should be interpreted in light of the 39 Articles and not the other way around. I also noticed an article on the historical documents of the Reformed Episcopal Church which said there were Romish seeds in the 1662 BCP, leading to the formation of a completely different version of the Articles and a different prayer book used by the REC.<br /><br />I would be nice if there could be a modern English version of the 1552 BCP before the Laudians interfered and made the changes you noted here.<br /><br />It would be nice if you could footnote your sources here so those more scholarly minded could check the context and references. <br /><br />At any rate, your work is very helpful.<br /><br />CharlieCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-83150257932702573892009-09-12T10:46:36.667-07:002009-09-12T10:46:36.667-07:00Most encouraging brother. Press on! PhilipMost encouraging brother. Press on! PhilipReformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.com