tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post7881790358292793105..comments2023-10-28T05:58:07.377-07:00Comments on Anglicans Ablaze: Anglican Evangelicals Need Their Own North American Convocation of ChurchesUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-65937236535847938702014-04-08T12:52:57.445-07:002014-04-08T12:52:57.445-07:00This is nonsense! The last thing we need is a cont...This is nonsense! The last thing we need is a continuous proliferation of provinces . Very soon Anglican Pentecostals will arise . Anyone who has a primary knowledge of the anglican history knows that it's a communion because of her diverse streams of traditions which are faithful to the essentials of scripture. Ibrahim Idihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07784611344749950141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-89153973725546935892012-01-10T07:41:59.039-08:002012-01-10T07:41:59.039-08:00Though I find an Anglican evangelical witness impo...Though I find an Anglican evangelical witness important and that once formed it should be guarded to keep the faith, I do not, however, believe that a requirement extending further than the 39 Articles and the 1662 BCP should be necessary. The two are sufficient to establish Anglicanism to the exclusion of both anglo-catholics and Arminians.Joe Mahlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159602829251282904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-23637847333614399992012-01-10T05:06:13.738-08:002012-01-10T05:06:13.738-08:00Robin,
If Anglican evangelicals were to form thei...Robin,<br /><br />If Anglican evangelicals were to form their own convocation, which I firmly and enthusiastically support, anglo-catholics would find their way into it. They would push to change it into an anglo-catholic church. I have seen in the past where there were anglo-catholic churches in the vicinity but a few would find their way to an evangelical church and gripe and complain that it should change to fit their concepts. I know of no way to keep them out. As history has clearly shown us, anglo-catholics would affirm the 39 Articles but not actually believe them and would teach another doctrine. It is the only reason that there are any anglo-catholics now. Their forefathers in the faith were liars. And John Henry Newman , chief among them, is a "saint" in the Roman religious organization.Joe Mahlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159602829251282904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-75877885483480029772012-01-09T14:47:32.675-08:002012-01-09T14:47:32.675-08:00Joshua,
First, I am not "extreme Anglo-Refor...Joshua,<br /><br />First, I am not "extreme Anglo-Reformed." I personally have a number of problems with the appelative, "Anglo-Reformed." I do not use it.<br /><br />Portraying someone who has moderate Reformed views consistent with the Scriptures, the Anglican formularies, and classic Anglicanism as as a "hyper-Calvinist," "Puritanical," "ultra-Protestant," etc. is also a tactic that Anglo-Catholics have employed since the nineteenth century. They seek to portray themselves as the moderates--a practice the liberals learned from them--and their opponents as extremists of the worst kind. Their intent is to influence other people's perceptions of their opponents and to poison their minds against them. As every politician knows, fling enough mud and some is bound to stick. <br /><br />Second, I said nothing about you joining the Roman Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodoxy. I drew to your attention that Anglo-Catholics like yourself have been telling Anglicans who are faithful to the Scriptures, the English Reformation, and historic Anglicanism that they belong in another church. I further stated that Anglo-Catholics have been doing that since the nineteenth century when the Tractarian Movement embarked on its self-appointed task of changing the identity of the Church of England. <br /><br />This is well documented in articles published, lectures given, sermons preached, and papers read in what would become Anglo-Catholic circles since the publication of the first "Tracts for the Times" in 1833. First the Tractarians and then the Ritualists and the Anglo-Catholics would maintain that the Evangelicals and other churchmen who did not share their views were not true Churchmen. They did not belong in the Church of England but should join the ranks of the Non-Conformists. <br /><br />Whatever the English Church may have been during the pre-Reformation medieval period, at the time of the Reformation it became a reformed church that was Reformed in doctrine and to a large extent Reformed in practice. At the time of the Glorious Revolution the Coronation Oath Act of 1688 settled any doubts as the character of the Church of England. "The true gospel" and "the Protestant Reformed religion" were declared to be the established religion of the United Kingdom and the Church of England. <br /><br />In the nineteenth century the Romeward Movement sought to undo the English Reformation and to Romanize the Church of England. It hoped that the Pope would accept the English Church back into the Roman fold if it moved the English Church closer to Rome in doctrine and practice. It did not matter to the Romeward Movement's adherents that a substantial part of the English Church did not want to be a part of the Church of Rome. <br /><br />The Romeward Movement would "break down the hedge" that seperated the Church of England and the Church of Rome, reviving not only pre-Reformation medieval Catholic doctrines and practices rejected by the English Reformers but also introduced post-Tridentian Roman innovations in doctrine and worship. In doing so, it repeatedly flouted the canons of the Church and the laws of the land. It engaged in relentless propaganda campaign, which included attacking Protestant High Churchmen as well as Evangelicals. <br /><br />The Romeward Movement would make substantially gains in the then Protestant Episcopal Church in the nineteenth century as there were no legal barriers to its doctrines and practices. It would eventually succeed in driving the more evangelical of the Evangelicals out of the Episcopal Church. <br /><br />The Romeward Movement, however, was dealt a blow when the Pope declared Anglican orders null and void. Yet this setback did not keep it from pursuing its self-appointed task of changing Anglican identity.Robin G. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511384478845569163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-18888117433937369252012-01-09T12:09:24.447-08:002012-01-09T12:09:24.447-08:00But Robin, aren't you, and most extreme Anglo-...But Robin, aren't you, and most extreme Anglo-Reformed that I meet, telling me the same thing. That since I embrace the catholicity of our faith, that I should just be Roman or Orthodox, and not Anglican.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12615516475024048674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-70328070790035297082012-01-09T10:31:05.595-08:002012-01-09T10:31:05.595-08:00Joshua,
Do not Anglo-Catholics like yourself grow...Joshua,<br /><br />Do not Anglo-Catholics like yourself grow tired of telling Anglicans who are faithful to the Scriptures, the English Reformation, and historic Anglicanism that they belong in another church. Anglo-Catholics have been doing that since the nineteenth century when the Tractarian Movement embarked on its self-appointed task of changing the identity of the Church of England.Robin G. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511384478845569163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-71458141193098000332012-01-09T10:22:28.261-08:002012-01-09T10:22:28.261-08:00Mr. Brown,
The argument that you are making tired...Mr. Brown,<br /><br />The argument that you are making tired and wornout from overuse.Robin G. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511384478845569163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-10736708193658057972012-01-09T10:17:51.678-08:002012-01-09T10:17:51.678-08:00Raymond,
If you read my previous articles, inclu...Raymond, <br /><br />If you read my previous articles, including the two articles linked to this article, you will find substantial evidence supporting my contentions. There are no "vague generalities and accusations" as you would like other readers to believe. The ACNA Fundamental Declarations are weak in their affirmation of the Anglican formularies and take an Anglo-Catholic position on the historic episcopate. The ACNA canons take Anglo-Catholic positions on apostolic succession, ordination, and the sacraments. The ACNA “theological lens,” approved by its College of Bishops, to guide the ACNA Prayerbook and Common Liturgy Taskforce in its creation of a Prayerbook for use in the ACNA, favors an Anglo-Catholic interpretation of Anglican Church history, the character of Anglicanism, and the development of the Book of Common Prayer and Anglican worship, and takes Anglo-Catholic positions on revelation and salvation. The ACNA Ordinal, authorized by the College of Bishops, does not require blanket belief in the Scriptures and sanctions medieval Catholic beliefs and practices that the Anglican Reformers rejected at the time of the Reformation. There is more than enough evidence substantiating the entrenchment of Anglo-Catholic views in the ACNA and the lack of any real comprehensiveness.Robin G. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511384478845569163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-10913186627821295992012-01-09T10:00:55.924-08:002012-01-09T10:00:55.924-08:00Joshua,
You state, "True anglicanism starts ...Joshua,<br /><br />You state, "True anglicanism starts in the few years after Christ when St. Aristobulus landed on the shores of Britain or when St. Alban became the protomartyr of GB," Now sir, Anglican refers to a people called the Angles who were invaders of Great Britain which were inhabited by a Celtic people of which the Cornish and the Welsh are descendants. In fact the Britain Church which is established on the Island was dealt a great setback by the barbaric Angles, Saxons, Jutes. We usually think of the Ango-Saxons was the people who eventually become the English and thus Anglicans (from Latin). These Tutonic or Germanic peoples were pagans and expelled the British Christians who were not subject to Rome. The Roman Church established itself under Augustine of Canterbury giving no respect to the Christian Bretons who were already there in the western regions of the Islands. The Roman system eventually smothered the British Church. The Roman Church in England did not think of itself as a separate body from the Roman Pontiff. This does not come about until Henry VIII separated the Church in England from Rome. But the distinctives of Anglicanism were set in place until his son Edward became king and later under his daughter Elizabeth, in the 1500's.Joe Mahlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159602829251282904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-82132830978729582252012-01-09T09:45:47.212-08:002012-01-09T09:45:47.212-08:00Mr. Brown,
Why are you not a Roman Catholic rathe...Mr. Brown,<br /><br />Why are you not a Roman Catholic rather than being needlessly separated from that religious institution?Joe Mahlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159602829251282904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-11103428020007484012012-01-09T08:36:04.981-08:002012-01-09T08:36:04.981-08:00Robin,
A register of evangelical Anglican need to...Robin,<br /><br />A register of evangelical Anglican need to be made up. The criteria for making such a list should be simple. For example: Sign assent to the 39 Articles of Religion, Use of the 1662 BCP or another BCP that conforms to the 1662 BCP. Acceptance of the ornaments and vestments of the Church of England as set forth in the reign of Elizabeth I.Joe Mahlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159602829251282904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-32105539560086754952012-01-08T18:12:23.186-08:002012-01-08T18:12:23.186-08:00A hearty amen to Fr. Dale. True anglicanism start...A hearty amen to Fr. Dale. True anglicanism starts in the few years after Christ when St. Aristobulus landed on the shores of Britain or when St. Alban became the protomartyr of GB, not with the schism of the 1500s. These modern day Cromwellians seem like they would be more comfortable in a Presbyterian or Methodist church rather than one that considers itself part of the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12615516475024048674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-59058170025687806852012-01-08T17:22:53.650-08:002012-01-08T17:22:53.650-08:00That is a very good question: "who are the &q...That is a very good question: "who are the "true, pure, holy, sacred, perfect evangelical Anglicans" that cannot sully their cloths with the dregs of "Anglo-Catholics"? My hunch based off of conversations I have seen among so called "true Anglicans" is that the church would be a convocation of "one." So pure that not even Jesus would be allowed in, lest his one piece robe which was gambled over looked too much like an Alb and his sandals reminded the "Pure Anglicans" of benedictine monks. <br /><br />So the evangelical Anglicans will turn out to be one Anglican who cannot agree with anyone on anything at all...fulfilling the prophetic mission of Protestantism to endlessly divide the church into smaller and smaller sects until we are left with individual bitter baptized believers. Sounds like a great vision, can't wait to see how it turns out ... as if the other 49,997 denominations are not a sign enough of the utter failure of attempts to find the "true" believer among endless protests.Dale Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05963353670313995081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-22704289179926187962012-01-08T16:49:56.323-08:002012-01-08T16:49:56.323-08:00There are no specifics here. Just vague generaliti...There are no specifics here. Just vague generalities and accusations that lack charityRaymond Kaschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15469220596476893746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-49562790001408093592012-01-07T08:32:56.628-08:002012-01-07T08:32:56.628-08:00A hearty "Amen" to this proposal but sev...A hearty "Amen" to this proposal but several questions arise:<br />Who are the evangelicals and where might they be found? By what standards might they find common identity? Are charismatic believers to be considered evangelicals? By what means or instrument might they be brought together?<br /><br />Quosque?Charles Morleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12082596935304902224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9073400.post-72826922381458091742012-01-07T02:47:16.695-08:002012-01-07T02:47:16.695-08:00Truly legendary in its own mind.Truly legendary in its own mind.RMBrutonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15017576806723146013noreply@blogger.com